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Adarx!!!
You may have testicles after all!  But then again, I had to do some pretty serious posting before you became embarrassed enough to face me like a man.

Embarrassed?  HA!  I simply was unwilling to disclose my true email address.
Deathbringer made a suggestion where we could carry out the debate on e-mail without me having to do so.  Don't flatter yourseld.
 

Did someone post it?  I didn't see that.  I don't live my life for these forums, after all.  I saw where someone said you had set up a Yahoo account or something, but I never saw an address.
But it is immaterial anyway, because you are the one without balls enough to face me like a man.  Until now, anyway.
I considered my points made.
 

Somebody posted that I posted it.
Riiight.  You were the one who wouldn't debate on spacebattles after I challenged you.  So if that makes me a coward, you are too.  Anyway, enough of the name calling.

Well, it is quotes of your statements, after all.  What did you expect, intelligence?

Clever.  My issue is not that you misquoted me, and I'm not going to lie and say you did, it's that you just happened to remove the context by omitting the majority of my posts and all of yours.

Spacebattles forums are not a static things, nor do they last forever.  I might post a link to that forum, and in a couple of months, it is a broken link.  My hate mail page will last as long as I want it to.
Two reasons I wanted to debate this way are that others can't jump in and mess up the one-on-one debate, and that your ignorance will be preserved for a very long time, for all to see.
 

No, they aren't.  They can however be archived and as you said, the link would be good for a month ot two, which would give people some perspective as to What lead to all this.  It would also be amusing for the audience to see you go off on me for a screen and a half on posts I didn't make.  As far as I'm concerned, you can leave it up forever, especialy after this debate
is over.  Anyway, talk is cheap.  Now it is time for us to prove yourself.
 

I stopped reading that thread with my last post.
 

Fine.  You still saw a post on SD.net (by your own admittion) which indicated I was complying.
 

Do you deny that
*these are direct quotes from statements you made in chronological order
 

Nope.  They are.  They are completely out of context but they are indeed thing I posted.
 

*I challenged you directly to a debate via e-mail (what I was doing)
 

Yes you did.  Thats why I'm here.
 

*you felt my holding you to a statement that you made meant that I was "setting a trap" for you
 

Absolutely.  By attempting to hold me to a statement which a.) was never meant to be taken as literal or accurate information and was infact exaggeration  b.) was admitted by me as such a few weeks before you ever challenged me  c.) was clarified when you asked me what I meant by 95%speculation to mean a noteworthy amount of your site is speculation, which is what we are here to discuss.  Yes, when you try to hold me to the exact meaning of words which were not meant to be taken literally and want to debate me on that one line after I admitted it was deliberately inaccurate was indeed a trap.
 

*you refused to debate me in the realm I challenged you to?
 

Simply because I don't like giving out my real e-mail address.
 
 

I don't see what the problem is, unless you are afraid for what you said to be preserved indefinitely.
 

I'm sure you don't.  As I already stated, the words are accurate but they are taken completely out of context.  That is my problem.
 

Then why couldn't you use it to contact me directly?
Still a coward.  Until now, that is.  Peer pressure can be very powerful.
 

Again, don't pat yourself on the back too much.  The reason was is that I failed to see a point to contacting you directly because at that time I was not intending to debate you via e-mail.  That is until someone suggested I use a throwaway account.

A month?  What do you think I am, an endless ranter like you?
 

Seemed that way after the first two posts in the thread that started this.
Besides, I am not familiar with the "Wong Style" of debate so I had no Idea how long it would last.
 

Great.  There may be hope for you after all.
The guy finally came out of the saloon to face the gunslinger!  It only took a week or so.  :)
 

I came as soon as a good suggestion was made.
 

Good idea.
 

Well, i wish I could take credit for it.:)
 

I can't wait to see it.
 

Won't have to much longer.

So, we agree on the topic?  The topic is whether or not you have evidence that the Vorlon fighter in question took previous damage before it was destroyed by an Earthforce fighter?  That is what we were discussing, IIRC.
Not quite.  My complaint with the site was the wording of your statement regarding Vorlon Fighter durability.  It was:
They are much less resilient to enemy fire than their larger counterparts, as at least one was destroyed by a single volley from an Earthforce Thunderbolt starfighter in Into the Fire.

Do you admit to this being on your site under Vorlon Warships as the third sentence of the Vorlon Fighter section?  Last time I posted this you said I misquoted you.

Anyway, my objective is not to prove it did take damage, but instead to prove that the one volley estimate you gave was unsupported speculation and in fact less likely than the alternative.
 

Okay, I submit these ideas:
*Debate will consist of a maximum of 5 posts per person.
Fine.
*Posts cannot contain more than 20k of text.
Fine.
*Posts can contain relevant images, video, audio, etc., as long as it is formatted/compressed appropriately for internet use (ie, no bitmap images, uncompressed AVIs, etc.)
If I use images (which in itself is unlikely) I will put them in JPEG format and if you prefer I can can zip them.
*Maximum of 48 hours for response time to a post.  After 48 hours, if there is no reply, the debate ends with the last post.
Fine
*Debaters use real names.
This I object to.  I have gone to great lengths to avoid using my real name online.  I just prefer to remain anonymous.  Similar reasons why I don't like using my e-mail address
*Quotes will be direct quotes.  No paraphrasing.
Fine, though this may be a problem if our posts start getting long (towards the 20K level) though I don't think that will be a problem.
*Because this is regarding your problems with my website, the burden of proof is on you.
I have to prove it was unsupported speculation.  Got it.
*You make the first actual debate post, I make the last.
Fine
*None of that stupid "concession accepted" crap, unless a concession is made by the other party.
I almost never use that anyway.  I may have used it 5-6 times out of ~2400 posts at spacebattles and at least one of those it wasn't serious.
*Stay on-topic.
Thats a given.
*No profanity.  My website is rated G.
Fine

Any other ideas?
How about no personal attacks, even if they lack profanity.  Let's keep this a clean debate.
We have to agree on the terms before the debate can start.
 

Brian Young
Babtech on the Net
http://www.babtech-onthe.net

I think that is everything for now.

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