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> >>*I will respond to this message now, but I will not respond to or
publish
> anything else
> >>you send that is not directed to staff@babtech-onthe.net by either
primary
> address or
> >>CC.  You can reply to my private address, as long as you CC the staff
address.
>  If you
> >>wish to have a third party as a witness for yourself as well, simply
request
> that, and I'll
> >>CC that address with each post.
>
> Whatever.
 

Thanks for your compliance.
 

>
> >>*Limit four posts per side.
>
> Fine.  And can I assume you expect me to go first?
 

Yes.
 

>
> >> *Limit 20k of TEXT per post.
>
> Do you honestly expect to be able to cover everything relevant to the
Vorlon
> Planet Killer's firepower in this little text?
 

Yes I do.  Limit of 20k of text per post.
That is more than sufficient to make a point.
 

>
> >> *Limit of 48 hours response time to a post (from the time the message
is SENT).
> >>After 48 hours, if there is no response, the debate ends with the last
post.
> Technical
> >>difficulties will be taken into consideration however.
>
> This could be a problem.  This coming weekend, Friday through Monday, I am
not
> going to be able to do anything with this as I will be spending time with
family
> and away from any computers.
 

Okay.  How about 48 hours response time, unless your post falls on the weekend.  I'll excuse you from the weekend, from Saturday 12:01AM to Monday at 12:01AM.  Outside of that, the clock is ticking.
 
 

> >>*Provide your own evidence.  Vague references to episodes or events does
not
> >>constitue evidence.  Provide your own EXACT quotes, images, video clips,
or audio
> >>clips.  If you don't provide your own evidence, I will call you on it.
If your
> quotes
> >>aren't exact, I will call you on it.  If the files you present aren't
relevant
> to the topic in
> >>question, I will call you on it.  In the interest of fairness, you may
use
> existing related
> >>files in the Babtech section in question, *for this debate only*.  In
this
> case, simply
> >>provide the appropriate link.
>
> Unless you know somewhere online I can get quotes and such, this again
could be
> a problem.
 

Your problem, not mine.  If you have no evidence, you have no case.  Live with it.
 

> >>*Because Babtech is based on canon evidence, only evidence from filmed
episodes,
> >>telemovies, and novels OF the telemovies are appropriate.  This debate
will not
> >>devolve into a discussion about what is or is not canon, or what sources
> should or
> >>should not be used.
>
> Screw that.  Babylon 5 Wars, which I am sure you are trying to refer to
without
> naming it, was declared canon by Straczynski himself as has been shown
hundreds
> of times on dozens of boards.  If he is not qualified to decide what
Babylon 5
> is and isn't, who is?  Now I can see why you would want to leave it out as
it
> does have some very damning evidence towards your position, specifically
the
> rules that constitute what can scatter planets, but once you start
excluding
> evidence, which you are doing, your hypothesis is invalidated.
 
 

Babtech is not based on B5Wars.  This effectively makes B5Wars a Red Herring in this debate.  If you have a problem with Babtech, then you will have to debate on the terms used by Babtech.
Please read my previous message, where I said "This debate will not devolve into a discussion about what is or is not canon, or what sources should or should not be used."
Babtech is based on *filmed* B5.  That is what Babtech has always claimed to be.  That is my policy, and that is the way it will be.  If you have a problem with that, learn to live with it.
If this is your chief complaint, then just concede that, given the filmed evidence, Babtech draws logical conclusions.  Otherwise, agree to the terms and we'll start debating.
 
 

> >>*Calculations will be explained in sufficient detail to be reproduced.
>
> Calculations aren't relevant to this debate.
> >>Now, you have chosen to debate issues regarding the Vorlon Planet
Killer.
> >>You suggested two areas of concern: my statements that the VPK does not
> scatter the
> >>mass of planets, and the time taken to complete a bombardment.
> >>This is rather vague.  I recommend a more specific topic.  For example,
> >>*You will argue that the VPK does in fact scatter the entire mass of
habitable
> planets,
> >>overcoming the gravitational binding energy.
> >>*I will argue that it does not.
>
> More or less, though overcoming gravity it non necessary to shatter a
planet.
> Failing to do so only means the planet reforms from scatter debris after a
> certain time period has passed.
 

You just said "Calculations aren't relevant to this debate."
If you are going to make claims like the above about gravity, or previous comments about the duration of a bombardment, you must provide evidence that supports it.  That comes in the form of calculations.

If you are not willing to debate on the terms set, just concede as much.

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